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Headpointing climbing. Headpointing hasn't exactly taken the US by storm but it is definitely taking hold. So what factors should be taken into account when choosing a route to headpoint? So far I have thought of; location is is inspiring? difficulties style of climbing. Graham03 Jun 2003 Prompted by Franco Cookson's article on headpointing recently, Wil Treasure shares a short bonus interview recorded in November 2017 with Tim Lowe Tim is a climber from Yorkshire with an enviable ticklist of routes, including the Yorkshire Triple Crown of The Groove, Urgent Action and Supercool - all 8a+. Rob Greenwood Climbing Tag: Head Pointing December 31, 2013 / 4 comments / Image 2013 Photo Round-up In reply to Punter999: I apologise for your boredness. U. A climber may also rappel in and examine the moves, or play In a situation when you keep falling on the gear because it's a little too hard, the better style would be to top rope it to reduce that wear. Pre-practise of cutting edge routes has always taken place and helps to push climbing standards, however there are always very few people operating at the highest levels. Many here will tell you otherwise. "Headpointing is where a climber gains in-depth information about a traditionally protected (or unprotected) climb through inspection, rehearsing the moves on a top-rope, and any other method they choose to employ. His point is that, once you start hittin E6/7 and above, the waters get a bit muddied, because headpointing rears it's (ugly? beautiful?) head; but everybody accepts that pretty much all E5s are there to be climbed onsight. try harder VS routes - there are VS climbs out there that can feel like E1 and there are HVS climbs that can feel like E2! Some climbers argue there are even more stipulations. Moves are memorised, and sometimes the protection is pre-placed so that it only has to be clipped on lead. Settle down with a cuppa and have a listen Without headpointing there would surely be a lot more dead climbers than there are, which would be a tragic waste. You should only take risks your happy with. Left Wall is safe as houses. Also, if I can usually onsight eng 5c moves (bouldering Looking at your profile I'd say that as you have only just started climbing and you can boulder font 7a you are a very long way from your on sight potential so headpointing anything less than E6 would be a shame. With little to no margins for error, climbers rely on extensive planning and beta rehearsal to ensure they do not take an injurious fall. Herford was 80 years ahead of his This “headpointing” technique, where climbers rehearse the moves on toprope before going for the lead, began around 1999, and is considered an accepted method of first lead ascents. Pete A14 Jul 2003 In reply to Norrie Muir: When you first brought up the notion of headpointing being cheating there was no mention of the style of the ascent being obscured in any way. 3M subscribers in the climbing community. Cheating: Dogging, headpointing, pinkpointing, redpointing, toproping, or yo In reply to Norrie Muir: When you first brought up the notion of headpointing being cheating there was no mention of the style of the ascent being obscured in any way. I come from a "start at the bottom" school of climbing: I started as the first climbing walls were beginning to spread. 1 - Deep in the Austrian In reply to peaker: Onsighting is always going to be the more impressive style, and given that the norm is too ad two grades when headpointing it goes without saying onsighting E5 is more impressive than headpointing E7. But Then he set off to produce something about what makes trad climbers tick and and that film became Scary Faces (2000). You can lead trad for years, place hundreds of pieces, never fall, and learn nothing about your placements. Headpointing can help build confidence in your ability to onsight harder routes, but I think much of that you'd get equally by seconding them. This is also what was said on the film Onsight. The long-awaited renaissance of hard Trad headpointing is here, as the global rise in climbing training finally begins to feed into a meteoric surge of hard British Trad ascents. The evil word. “The gear, although small, felt solid with the exception Yes, headpointing is the child of satan, blah blah blah But I fancy doing something harder than I usually onsight and having a bit of a project. How about Life Assurance at Burbage S? Headpointing or dogging or whatever, it is becoming an increasingly common part of mainstream trad culture across all grades and abilities, undoubtedly influenced by the indoor wall, bouldering and sport climbing culture via which most In reply to Dave Hunter, Rock + Run: The term headpointing is useful for new routes as it is clear what style was used, Ground up onsight, Abseil preinspection and cleaning, headpoint (top roped practice then lead properly!). It'll probably soon come back round to limestone again, especially as the limestone guides are due out soon. Occasional headpointing is good for onsight climbers: it stretches you technically (like bouldering) and stops you ossifying at a grade. In reply to peaker: Onsighting is always going to be the more impressive style, and given that the norm is too ad two grades when headpointing it goes without saying onsighting E5 is more impressive than headpointing E7. These purists believe that for a true onsight, there must be no gear on the wall, including permadraws, quickdraws, or even bolts, as these indicate the direction of the Ethics in climbing matter. Headpointing this would be the act of a tasteless buffoon. Happy New Year! In this video Jordan gets an FFA of the last remaining TR in the Sleepy Hollow Area of the gunks. Over the years he's been a keen sport climber, but Tim also likes to stick his neck out on trad routes. Technically speaking, if you're cleanly leading a trad When the climber does eventually take up the sharp end and send the route, it’s still considered a redpoint, although the climber might be said to have done it in a headpoint style. If you are going to comment, I do ask you do it on Youtube so we can crush the algorithm as we crush our projects. I In this video, Neil talks about "the black art of headpointing" while demonstrating his use of it on a dangerous 5. It's really cool to contribute to gunks history in this way. GALLERY - Hard-5. . Headpointing is akin to toproping & redpointing is akin to working a route, niether of which is a clean onsight. Cases in point - Headpointing, climbing in general, house prices vs. JOIN US. " OP Julian Wedd 07 Jun 2008 In reply to In reply to Tris: Climbing has many different games and many ethical viewpoints. e. We have super busy lives and plenty of footage to chop up, but no time to do it. There are other reasons given as to why Brits have embraced headpointing including the fact that our open-ended E-grading system rewards those who climb hard and that the incestuous (close geographical) nature of British climbing breeds competition. > Or it could make things worse by enabling people who don't have the time and dedication to make attempts. When I started climbing the idea of going up something with deliberately restricted knowledge about it seemed contrived and silly, but recently it's become probably my personal favorite form of climbing. Headpointing is when a climber rehearses a route on top rope before going for the redpoint on the sharp end. unlike falling/jumping (which would make the ascent ground-up,if you then went on to My reason for this is social consciousness. 13b/c R) at Dyer’s Lookout in Devon, U. Even before Alastair Lee's aesthetic masterpiece Onsight, headpointing had got a bit of a dubious reputation for allowing Trad climbers to "cheat", bypassing the unknown, and using session after session to work moves on a Lots of headpointing, although the shift in what gets most acclaim seems to be going towards onsighting/flashing hard grit routes. Oli 19 Mar 2007 HeadpointHandbook Death's Head Mask 12d X, Headpointing in the Gunks 1 0 Share Add a Comment 24 2 john arran 14 Jul 2024 In reply to Gwinn512: Probably depens on whether you ever climb with anyone climbing a bit harder than yourself. I have lived through an era where wall Well here we are drawing to the end of another headpointing season, plenty of bright crisp cold days, optimum conditions for 'sending that project' and what is the end result for this season? Approx bugger all, a few bits and bobs, Steves thing at Curbar, Ben did a couple and there were a few more repeats of the old favourites but essentially nothing of note. Tim is a climber from Yorkshire with an enviable ticklist of routes, including the Yorkshire Triple Crown of The Groove, Urgent Action and Supercool - all 8a+. Please accept this offering of a really rad, safe route in the gunks. It was fun Cattell adopted typical headpointing tactics for this route: toproping and placing the gear while free climbing to establish the best stances. And yes we are scared of falling. 12+ gritstone climb. The 24-year-old ticked the 160-foot pitch after ten sessions, using Despite headpointing often being first used by climbers when they encounter routes that they find too bold to climb ground up, it needn't be a tactic solely used on climbs with no protection. Find rock climbing routes, photos, and guides for every state, along with experiences and advice from fellow climbers. Styles of climbing always evolve and few of us could claim to climb in a style that would be considered 'ethically pure' against ethical standards of the last 50 years. I have done both & regard them as second class surrogates to the real intensity of a clean onsight lead, which I now favour, even if my grades suffer. We all abide by them. g) Next time any of my partners ask me to belay them on their top ropes I'm taking a stop watch and we'll see who's really slow at climbing their routes. My reason for this is social consciousness. If you get on a top rope or shunt with the specific intention of later leading the route then this is headpointing, irrespective of the grade. 1. In headpointing, a climber rehearses the route Headpointing is the climbing equivalent of a high-wire circus act, practiced in safety, then the net is lowered to the ground and it's for real. Most of Peter’s work is focused around the bolder side of climbing like free soloing, headpointing, In this second Factor Two podcast series, Wil Treasure continues to share stories from the climbing world through interviews with both well-known and lesser-known characters. Hey guys, been a while since we dropped a climbing video. As headpointing becomes more widely acceptable and filters down the grades, the number of potential ascents increases massively. In reply to Franco Cookson:This is usually accepted because it still corresponds with the onsight trad ethic of climbing the route completely under your own steam , placing all gear on lead, from base to top and without prior knowledge of the climb-i. This can be in the context of sport climbing, trad climbing, or bouldering. My hardest trad climb to date is Left Wall at Brimham (E5 6a for those not familiar). practicing on top-rope, maybe even preplacing gear etc. IN the one that discusses E5, he calls it the 'cornerstone grade of British trad climbing' or something similar. Onsighting is a climbing 2021 has been like no other in the history of UK Trad. Take myself for example. There is no dedicated word for trad climbing on pre-placed gear (mostly because it is considered cheating by most), so you just call it that: an ascent on pre-placed gear. Pre-practice, top roping, working: all synonyms for that most diabolical of threats to stylistic purity. D. Now I know this will vary but just wanted a general consensus. Herford was 80 years ahead of his Yo-yoing: A style of ascent whereby the climber lowers down after falling, but leaves the rope pre-clipped at the highpoint, and then re-ascends. 12b in the Trapps with Brandon. 13 headpointing, seaside (and high-country) highballing, roof-crack madness, and Garhwal splendor; COUNTRY STYLE - Take a trad tour with two American hardwomen in South Africa; MAINE LINERS - Mark Synnott and Jared Ogden search, in a 27-foot sloop, for sea cliffs along austere Downeast Maine; ZILLERTAL 2. It is undoubtedly bold but again the massive rehearsal of the moves (thought necessary to climb the hardest technical moves in a dangerous situation) goes against the grain of "traditional" climbing. If you really feeling you need to earn something from climbing, let it be respect from other climbers, and hopefully that isn't graded with E's. Despite headpointing often being first used by climbers when they encounter routes that they find too bold to climb ground up, it needn't be a tactic solely used on climbs with no protection. Oli 19 Mar 2007 Headpointing is akin to toproping & redpointing is akin to working a route, niether of which is a clean onsight. A climber may also rappel in and examine the moves, or play In headpointing, a climber rehearses the route with the safety of a top-rope, dialing in the moves and gear placements. " Ah, but it is! For instance, the FA of CB is an excellent example of a headpoint. “Everything felt good,” Cattell said. It’s typically applied to potentially dangerous trad climbs, but it could also be applied to run-out or spicy sport climbs. What business is this of yours anyway John ? If the internation community decide some ones a shit hot climber is that their problem ? I think not. Why headpoint? For most climbers, Trad tends to Focus Headpointing describes a specific approach to redpointing. Become a more balanced climber by understanding which climber type defines you, your Ego Grade, and what lies on the other side. A decade of abandoned headpointing has left a vacuum now ripe for the plucking, with neglected and undiscovered lines littering the length of the UK, right at a time when training facilities and Trad protection are the most advanced they've ever been. gl/yVRAIf What Does A Onsighting a climb means that the climber sends the entire route on their first attempt, without prior knowledge of the climb. The new era of Pfft. headpointing: the equivalent of redpointing for trad climbing (i. Aid climbing provides immediate feedback. When the climber eventually goes on the sharp In reply to ChrisClark1: Although climbs can sometimes end up as headpoints simply as a result of failure to do them in better style, the term headpointing seems to me to be in the main down to intention. Sport climbers know the feeling well, too. So if you aspire to climb an E2 it is better IMO to climb more E1's until such time that you are capable of climbing an E2 so headpointing an E2 in that context seems like cheating. Introduction Back to contents The present Climbing Terms Glossary is a list of definitions of terms, jargon and lingo related to all styles of rock climbing covered on theCrag. Prompted by Franco Cookson's article on headpointing recently, Wil Treasure shares a short bonus interview recorded in November 2017 with Tim Lowe Tim is a climber from Yorkshire with an enviable ticklist of routes, including the Yorkshire Triple Crown of The Groove, Urgent Action and Supercool - all 8a+. The decision There are probably a million others, but the main descriptors are onsight, redpoint, pinkpoint and headpoint. As long as you're on a bold route which is pushing your envelope in some way, not climbing badly and damaging the rock, I think headpointing is fine at any level. Headpointing won't stop you getting pumped. To see more awesome footage of a ground up ascent of this route, check out Christian F Prompted by Franco Cookson's article on headpointing recently, Wil Treasure shares a short bonus interview recorded in November 2017 with Tim Lowe Tim is a climber from Yorkshire with an enviable ticklist of routes, including the Yorkshire Triple Crown of The Groove, Urgent Action and Supercool - all 8a+. Franco Cookson's Guide to Headpointing The evil word. Got to Stanage/a climbing wall/a climbers pub and you'll find lots of folk against headpointing. I still think that on such routes the onsighter needs the headopinter so that they can get an idea of whether a route is within their capabilities. But achieving that degree of mindless flowstate while headpointing a tricky trad pitch is certainly not something most of us encounter in our day-to-day redpointing endeavors. K. The home of Climbing on reddit. Headpointing dangerous trad routes is typically a precise affair. All climbers whatever style and competence have just as much right to enjoy themselves how they see fit on the rocks as do any other climbers. Even before Alastair Lee's aesthetic masterpiece Onsight, headpointing had got a bit of a dubious reputation for allowing Trad climbers to "cheat", bypassing the unknown, and using session after session to work moves on a hanging rope from above. Headpointing is often touted as traditional climbing, when it isn't. A VS leader would never get thorough that lot in a lifetime. This is definitely one of those climbing videos But my climbing trajectory up till now probably doesn't demonstrate any on-sighting benefit from starting to headpoint trad routes - I tend to think of headpointing as a way to access harder routes, not a way to improve on-sighting. In reply to james oswald: get stronger, pull harder, practice placing gear become more fluid in moving on the rock. It's called climbing things you've seconded before. This thread was an attempt to move away from looking at one young climber and any possibility of criticising what was an exceptional climbing performance. ? Headpointing is often touted as traditional climbing, when it isn't. no fall lead after rehearsal, usually on top rope). The old times, when a whole year would pass by with scarcely any difficult new routes, are well and truly over. 10% off everything at the EpicTV shop this weekend, use the code: ENDOFSALE Amazing deals on climbing gear at the EpicTV shop: https://goo. There's a brigade of climbers in the gunks with a stated goal of freeing every TR left. above E5 would this lead to a loss of on sight lead confidence for say an E4 onsight? All that climbing into the unknown etc. I'd also say that if you are wanting to move upto the next grade, then headpointing rotes a couple of grades harder will give you the confidence to go for harder onsights. Because there are so many unpredictable variables to manage, it's advisable to learn your craft on something more towards the safe end of the scale. Let us know in the comments below. I suspect it'll be the latter - make things easier and the limit moves to match it. Headpointing is a different game to onsighting, I prefer onsighting, and I reckon it's a better style of ascent. I was just wondering as it’s been the years of headpinting, at what grade does it become acceptable ethically to climb a trad route in this style. The bold ones are physically easy, and the safe ones are, well, safe. climber Anna Hazelnutt has made an impressive repeat of Once Upon a Time in the Southwest (E9 6c/ 5. Why? "Cos it's not [blah, blah]" Probe a little further and their ultimate rationale is, "It's not part of climbing tradition. Headpointing- dogging up a route on top rope or lead with pre-placed protection, then going on to climb it clean placing gear as you go. He just redpointed what? Demystifying the rock climbing terms: redpoint, pinkpoint, flash, on-sight and more! How the World’s Boldest Climbing Area Got that Way How headpointing became a legitimate, go-to tactic on Peak District gritstone. Is there a sort of consensus at what Egrade people start headpointing routes, i. Pete A14 Jul 2003 Got to Stanage/a climbing wall/a climbers pub and you'll find lots of folk against headpointing. In-depth, personal accounts that aren't read from a page on a variety of themes. Let’s break down each of them – what they mean, how to achieve In terms of climbing headlines, the Peak District has seen more antics, controversy, and scandal than anywhere else in the United Kingdom, and illustrates how gritstone ethics, Find rock climbing routes, photos, and guides for every state, along with experiences and advice from fellow climbers. S. E6 is a bit closer to being politically acceptable. Frankly innes, I reckon that headpointing any E5 would be a fairly hollow experience. Musgrave 06 Jul 2008 If all you did was boulder and then headpoint the harder grit routes i. I My process for headpointing ( the approach of roped rehearsal before climbing unroped - made famous by English gritstone climbers ) highball boulders or fre Generally I think that if you are a beginner trad climber then gear placement could be an issue on E1/2. Your comments please. As for the content on theCrag, this glossary relies on the input of Today we get out to Word Of Mouth, a 5. Headpointing or dogging or whatever, it is becoming an increasingly common part of mainstream trad culture across all grades and abilities, undoubtedly influenced by the indoor wall, bouldering and sport climbing culture via which most How the World’s Boldest Climbing Area Got that Way How headpointing became a legitimate, go-to tactic on Peak District gritstone. ndecqfdsazwebzegzvuurzhiiobyrbqazokhzdyxbyeeiaeqs